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# A brand-new podcast from Flat Fee Recruiter and Consilia Legal.

Direct from Aire Street, Leeds, Flat Fee Recruiter's Lis Wilson and Consilia Legal's Marie Walsh discuss all things employment, without the fluff!

### Episode 3 : The Business of Second Chances: From Addiction to Entrepreneurship with Chris Sylvester

 

"If you want a sausage, go see the butcher!"

 

Flat Fee Recruiter's Lis Wilson and Consilia Legal's Marie Walsh are joined by the incredible Chris Sylvester, who shares the story of how he went from years of addiction, prison and homelessness to becoming the founder of Getting Clean, a unique soap company that's on a mission to ensure that all recovering addicts in the UK have access to peer support and employment opportunities.

 

Chris talks about building a socially responsible commercial outfit, challenging stigma and his goal to make Leeds an Inclusive Recovery City.

 

It's an honest, inspiring conversation about recovery, resilience and doing business differently that you won't want to miss.

 

Read more about Recruiting for the Charity Sector:

 

### [Why is recruitment so challenging for UK charities?](https://flatfeerecruiter.co.uk/faq/charity-recruitment-guide)

### [How to recruit in the charity sector: 7 practical strategies](https://flatfeerecruiter.co.uk/faq/how-to-recruit-in-the-charity-sector-7-practical-strategies)

 

### [Recruitment agencies vs Flat Fee Recruiter: what could your charity save?](https://flatfeerecruiter.co.uk/faq/how-can-charities-reduce-recruitment-costs)

 

### Listen on [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/1oGSbhCTd2PQa5vJJ76MKx), [Apple Music](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/no-airs-graces/id6809800117) or wherever you get your podcasts.

 

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